In this episode, Niamani Mutima of the Africa Grantmakers' Affinity Group talks with Louise Driver and Sarah Rennie of the Independent Philanthropy Association for South Africa (IPASA) and Vuyiswa Sidzumo of the Ford Foundation Office for Southern Africa. They discuss IPASA's role in helping funders in South Africa to respond to local community needs during the COVID-19 pandemic. They also discuss the need for philanthropy to incorporate more flexible approaches into their permanent grantmaking practices. This conversation took place on May 12, 2021.